profoundly boring for the rest of the world in general. but this was was really the moment in which, you know, if places like beijing and berlin, people started to say, you know what, maybe american political dysfunction is so extreme as to imperil the macrostability of the country. >> does this now actually lead to pressure? i mean, one complaint that the white house certainly had in 2011 was they talk to these business guys and business guys all said, yeah, this would be a disaster, but they didn't do anything about it. in part because they didn't really believe in it. so the business roundtable coming out for the white house's proposal here seems like a very big deal to me. i mean, are you seeing the beginnings of an actual campaign to pressure republicans to take this threat off to the table, not get to the point where we begin seeing consumer confidence drop, begin seeing businesses cut back, begin feeling those economic effects we got in 2011? >> well, i agree with you this is an important moment, but i think we also have to remember that that hostility that we felt during the election campaign toward obama, that wasn't fake.